Tuesday, March 5, 2013
List of links on the Fast & Furious Scandal #tcot #2ndamendment #fastandfurious #tlot #gunrights #nra
RRD: I have compiled this list of links to the Fast & Furious Scandal. HT to Katie Pavlich & her book on the subject.
Fast and Furious: Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal and the Shameless Cover-Up:Amazon:Kindle Store
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007OVTD7E 2/16/2011 Jaime Zapata, U.S. Immigration And Customs Enforcement Agent, Killed In Mexico http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/16/jamie-zapata-killed-mexico-us-immigration_n_824084.html
2/17/2011 U.S. Rep Says ICE Agents Were Ambushed by Zetas in Mexico | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/17/rep-says-ice-agents-ambushed-zetas-mexico/
3/04/2011 ATF Whistleblowers Question SW Border Strategy
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/about/ATF-Whistleblowers-Question-SW-Border-Strategy.cfm#
3/28/2011 The Scandal of ‘Gun-Walking’ - Jim Geraghty & Cam Edwards - National Review Online http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263117/scandal-gunwalking-jim-geraghty
4/14/2011 New documents reveal Federal Firearms Licensee voiced concerns with Fast and Furious strategy
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=33847#_ftnref3
5/03/2011 Issa Grills Attorney General Holder on Operation Fast & Furious and Project Gunrunner - YouTube
June 14, 2011 Committee On Oversight & Government Reform #fastandfurious Accounts of ATF agents #secondamendment #tcot #tlot
http://oversight.house.gov/report/the-department-of-justices-operation-fast-and-furious-accounts-of-atf-agents/ 7/06/2011 Fast and Furious update: Ken Melson’s secret testimony. | RedState
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/07/06/fast-and-furious-update-ken-melsons-secret-testimony/ 7/11/2011 New border gun rules a distraction from Fast and Furious scandal, Issa says | The Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/11/new-border-gun-rules-a-distraction-from-fast-and-furious-scandal-issa-says/ 7/17/2011 Gun trafficking: Family of U.S. agent slain in Mexico demands to know source of guns - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/17/nation/la-na-guns-cartel-20110718 8/11/2011 U.S. Attorney's Office Rejects Family of Murdered Border Patrol Agent as Crime Victims | Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/11/us-attorneys-office-rejects-family-slain-border-patrol-agent-as-crime-victims/
9/02/2011 White House received emails about Fast and Furious gun operation - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/02/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110902 9/06/2011 Transcript of ‘Fast & Furious’ Testimony Before Congress Implicating Dennis Burke | Politics Arizona http://politicsarizona.com/2011/09/06/transcript-of-fast-furious-testimony-before-congress-implicating-dennis-burke/ 9/07/2011 Holder: 'Fast and Furious' operation didn't reach DOJ 'upper levels' - CNN
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-07/us/holder.fast.and.furious_1_fast-and-furious-operation-atf-justice-department?_s=PM:US 9/11/2011 Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110912
9/19/2011 Mexico still waiting for answers on Fast and Furious gun program - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/print/2011/sep/19/world/la-fg-mexico-fast-furious-20110920
10/02/2011 Despite new disclosures, White House maintains senior officials didn’t know ATF was ‘letting guns walk’ | The Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/02/despite-new-disclosures-white-house-maintains-senior-officials-didnt-know-atf-was-letting-guns-walk/ 10/06/2011 Katie Pavlich - White House: Holder Testimony "Consistent and Truthful" http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/10/06/white_house_holder_testimony_consistent_and_truthful 10/07/2011 Articles: Fast and Furious in a Rotten Nutshell
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/m-fast_and_furious_in_a_rotten_nutshell.html 10/17/2011 Justice Department Accuses Issa of 'Mischaracterizing' Evidence in Probe of Operation Fast and Furious | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/17/justice-department-accuses-issa-mischaracterizing-evidence-in-probe-operation/?test=latestnews 11/08/2011 Eric Holder's Testimony to Sen. John Cornyn and the Senate Judiciary Committee - YouTube
11/12/2011 ATF gun probe: Behind the fall of Operation Fast and Furious http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/11/12/20111112atf-gun-probe-operation-fast-and-furious-fall.html 12/02/2011 Facts are STUBBORN Things...The Justice Department Tries to Have it Both Ways
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38110 12/07/2011 Grassley Calls for Resignation of Justice Department Official in Gunwalking Tragedy
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38173
12/20/2011 Now, 91 congressmen have ‘no confidence’ in Holder or believe he should quit | The Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/now-90-congressmen-have-no-confidence-in-holder-or-believe-he-should-quit/
1/27/2012 Burke of Fast and Furious had anti-gun history http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/01/27/20120127dennis-burke-fast-furious-scandal-career.html?nclick_check=1
2/08/2012 Holder tells Congress the Obama administration wants to ban guns | The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/holder-tells-congress-the-obama-administration-wants-to-ban-guns/ 2/15/2012 MILLER: Obama's fast and furious spin - Washington Times http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/15/obamas-fast-and-furious-spin/ 7/06/2012 Remember Fast and Furious’s Mexican Victims - Deroy Murdock - National Review Online
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/304835/remember-fast-and-furious-s-mexican-victims-deroy-murdock 9/29/2012 Univision finds more Fast and Furious headlines as victims | The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/29/fast-and-furious-back-in-headlines-as-univision-reportedly-finds-more-victims/ 10/01/2012 'Furious' guns tied to 2010 Juarez massacre, other murders in Mexico | Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/01/report-claims-to-have-found-57-more-guns-tied-to-operation-fast-and-furious/
10/02/2012 Operation Fast and Furious and the Massacre of Mexican Kids
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/joseph-klein/operation-fast-and-furious-and-the-massacre-of-mexican-kids/
10/16/2012 Katie Pavlich - Obama Smirks, Laughs Off Fast and Furious During Debate http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/16/obama_smirks_laughs_off_fast_and_furious_during_debate 12/17/2012 Brian Terry family sues ATF officials in Fast and Furious - CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57559582/brian-terry-family-sues-atf-officials-in-fast-and-furious/
12/18/2012 ‘Fast and Furious’ Gun Likely Used in Deadly Shootout Found at Mexican Crime Scene | TheBlaze.com http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/18/another-fast-and-furious-gun-found-at-mexican-murder-scene/ 1/2013 CowboyByte.com » Obama Names Candidate For ATF Director Who Was Involved In Design Of “Fast And Furious” http://cowboybyte.com/17911/obama-names-candidate-for-atf-director-who-was-involved-in-design-of-fast-and-furious/ 3/2013 Clash Daily » Holder: I Have “No Respect” For Republicans Who Hold Him In Contempt Over Fast And Furious
http://clashdaily.com/2013/03/holder-i-have-no-respect-for-republicans-who-hold-him-in-contempt-over-fast-and-furious/
Fast and Furious: Barack Obama's Bloodiest Scandal and the Shameless Cover-Up:Amazon:Kindle Store
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007OVTD7E 2/16/2011 Jaime Zapata, U.S. Immigration And Customs Enforcement Agent, Killed In Mexico http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/16/jamie-zapata-killed-mexico-us-immigration_n_824084.html
2/17/2011 U.S. Rep Says ICE Agents Were Ambushed by Zetas in Mexico | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/17/rep-says-ice-agents-ambushed-zetas-mexico/
3/04/2011 ATF Whistleblowers Question SW Border Strategy
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/about/ATF-Whistleblowers-Question-SW-Border-Strategy.cfm#
3/28/2011 The Scandal of ‘Gun-Walking’ - Jim Geraghty & Cam Edwards - National Review Online http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263117/scandal-gunwalking-jim-geraghty
4/14/2011 New documents reveal Federal Firearms Licensee voiced concerns with Fast and Furious strategy
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=33847#_ftnref3
5/03/2011 Issa Grills Attorney General Holder on Operation Fast & Furious and Project Gunrunner - YouTube
June 14, 2011 Committee On Oversight & Government Reform #fastandfurious Accounts of ATF agents #secondamendment #tcot #tlot
http://oversight.house.gov/report/the-department-of-justices-operation-fast-and-furious-accounts-of-atf-agents/ 7/06/2011 Fast and Furious update: Ken Melson’s secret testimony. | RedState
http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/07/06/fast-and-furious-update-ken-melsons-secret-testimony/ 7/11/2011 New border gun rules a distraction from Fast and Furious scandal, Issa says | The Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/11/new-border-gun-rules-a-distraction-from-fast-and-furious-scandal-issa-says/ 7/17/2011 Gun trafficking: Family of U.S. agent slain in Mexico demands to know source of guns - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/17/nation/la-na-guns-cartel-20110718 8/11/2011 U.S. Attorney's Office Rejects Family of Murdered Border Patrol Agent as Crime Victims | Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/11/us-attorneys-office-rejects-family-slain-border-patrol-agent-as-crime-victims/
9/02/2011 White House received emails about Fast and Furious gun operation - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/02/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110902 9/06/2011 Transcript of ‘Fast & Furious’ Testimony Before Congress Implicating Dennis Burke | Politics Arizona http://politicsarizona.com/2011/09/06/transcript-of-fast-furious-testimony-before-congress-implicating-dennis-burke/ 9/07/2011 Holder: 'Fast and Furious' operation didn't reach DOJ 'upper levels' - CNN
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-07/us/holder.fast.and.furious_1_fast-and-furious-operation-atf-justice-department?_s=PM:US 9/11/2011 Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110912
9/19/2011 Mexico still waiting for answers on Fast and Furious gun program - Los Angeles Times http://articles.latimes.com/print/2011/sep/19/world/la-fg-mexico-fast-furious-20110920
10/02/2011 Despite new disclosures, White House maintains senior officials didn’t know ATF was ‘letting guns walk’ | The Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/02/despite-new-disclosures-white-house-maintains-senior-officials-didnt-know-atf-was-letting-guns-walk/ 10/06/2011 Katie Pavlich - White House: Holder Testimony "Consistent and Truthful" http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/10/06/white_house_holder_testimony_consistent_and_truthful 10/07/2011 Articles: Fast and Furious in a Rotten Nutshell
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/m-fast_and_furious_in_a_rotten_nutshell.html 10/17/2011 Justice Department Accuses Issa of 'Mischaracterizing' Evidence in Probe of Operation Fast and Furious | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/17/justice-department-accuses-issa-mischaracterizing-evidence-in-probe-operation/?test=latestnews 11/08/2011 Eric Holder's Testimony to Sen. John Cornyn and the Senate Judiciary Committee - YouTube
11/12/2011 ATF gun probe: Behind the fall of Operation Fast and Furious http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/11/12/20111112atf-gun-probe-operation-fast-and-furious-fall.html 12/02/2011 Facts are STUBBORN Things...The Justice Department Tries to Have it Both Ways
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38110 12/07/2011 Grassley Calls for Resignation of Justice Department Official in Gunwalking Tragedy
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38173
12/20/2011 Now, 91 congressmen have ‘no confidence’ in Holder or believe he should quit | The Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/now-90-congressmen-have-no-confidence-in-holder-or-believe-he-should-quit/
1/27/2012 Burke of Fast and Furious had anti-gun history http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/01/27/20120127dennis-burke-fast-furious-scandal-career.html?nclick_check=1
2/08/2012 Holder tells Congress the Obama administration wants to ban guns | The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/holder-tells-congress-the-obama-administration-wants-to-ban-guns/ 2/15/2012 MILLER: Obama's fast and furious spin - Washington Times http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/15/obamas-fast-and-furious-spin/ 7/06/2012 Remember Fast and Furious’s Mexican Victims - Deroy Murdock - National Review Online
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/304835/remember-fast-and-furious-s-mexican-victims-deroy-murdock 9/29/2012 Univision finds more Fast and Furious headlines as victims | The Daily Caller
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/29/fast-and-furious-back-in-headlines-as-univision-reportedly-finds-more-victims/ 10/01/2012 'Furious' guns tied to 2010 Juarez massacre, other murders in Mexico | Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/01/report-claims-to-have-found-57-more-guns-tied-to-operation-fast-and-furious/
10/02/2012 Operation Fast and Furious and the Massacre of Mexican Kids
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/joseph-klein/operation-fast-and-furious-and-the-massacre-of-mexican-kids/
10/16/2012 Katie Pavlich - Obama Smirks, Laughs Off Fast and Furious During Debate http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/16/obama_smirks_laughs_off_fast_and_furious_during_debate 12/17/2012 Brian Terry family sues ATF officials in Fast and Furious - CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57559582/brian-terry-family-sues-atf-officials-in-fast-and-furious/
12/18/2012 ‘Fast and Furious’ Gun Likely Used in Deadly Shootout Found at Mexican Crime Scene | TheBlaze.com http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/18/another-fast-and-furious-gun-found-at-mexican-murder-scene/ 1/2013 CowboyByte.com » Obama Names Candidate For ATF Director Who Was Involved In Design Of “Fast And Furious” http://cowboybyte.com/17911/obama-names-candidate-for-atf-director-who-was-involved-in-design-of-fast-and-furious/ 3/2013 Clash Daily » Holder: I Have “No Respect” For Republicans Who Hold Him In Contempt Over Fast And Furious
http://clashdaily.com/2013/03/holder-i-have-no-respect-for-republicans-who-hold-him-in-contempt-over-fast-and-furious/
Sunday, March 3, 2013
Ruger will not be pandering to the ”political environment” #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment
Ruger Earnings Call: “A busy factory is a happy factory” | The Firearm Blog http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/02/28/ruger-earnings-call-a-busy-factory-is-a-happy-factory/ ......” Ruger has no interest is the so-called “smart guns”. An analyst from Summit Brokerage, who clearly has little clue about the gun culture, asked …
“Gentlemen, can you talk a little bit about your smart gun? Obviously, you want to reduce the misuse
of guns maybe through this RFID technology or maybe fingerprints? Because I would think if you took
the lead that way, with everything that is going on in the political environment, you might look like
heroes. Can you talk a little bit about if you are doing anything with that whole concept?”
Michael Fifer simply responded “No.”
.....” The last time an “assault” weapons ban was contemplated Mr. William B. Ruger was doing his best to sell out the entire industry in order to keep his Mini-14 off a ban list. He significantly tarnished the brand of the company he founded. I am pleased that Mr. Fifer is not contemplating a similarly turncoat response to the political situation.”.....
“Gentlemen, can you talk a little bit about your smart gun? Obviously, you want to reduce the misuse
of guns maybe through this RFID technology or maybe fingerprints? Because I would think if you took
the lead that way, with everything that is going on in the political environment, you might look like
heroes. Can you talk a little bit about if you are doing anything with that whole concept?”
Michael Fifer simply responded “No.”
.....” The last time an “assault” weapons ban was contemplated Mr. William B. Ruger was doing his best to sell out the entire industry in order to keep his Mini-14 off a ban list. He significantly tarnished the brand of the company he founded. I am pleased that Mr. Fifer is not contemplating a similarly turncoat response to the political situation.”.....
Ruger will not be pandering to the ”political environment” #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment
Ruger Earnings Call: “A busy factory is a happy factory” | The Firearm Blog http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/02/28/ruger-earnings-call-a-busy-factory-is-a-happy-factory/ ......” Ruger has no interest is the so-called “smart guns”. An analyst from Summit Brokerage, who clearly has little clue about the gun culture, asked …
“Gentlemen, can you talk a little bit about your smart gun? Obviously, you want to reduce the misuse
of guns maybe through this RFID technology or maybe fingerprints? Because I would think if you took
the lead that way, with everything that is going on in the political environment, you might look like
heroes. Can you talk a little bit about if you are doing anything with that whole concept?”
Michael Fifer simply responded “No.”
.....” The last time an “assault” weapons ban was contemplated Mr. William B. Ruger was doing his best to sell out the entire industry in order to keep his Mini-14 off a ban list. He significantly tarnished the brand of the company he founded. I am pleased that Mr. Fifer is not contemplating a similarly turncoat response to the political situation.”.....
“Gentlemen, can you talk a little bit about your smart gun? Obviously, you want to reduce the misuse
of guns maybe through this RFID technology or maybe fingerprints? Because I would think if you took
the lead that way, with everything that is going on in the political environment, you might look like
heroes. Can you talk a little bit about if you are doing anything with that whole concept?”
Michael Fifer simply responded “No.”
.....” The last time an “assault” weapons ban was contemplated Mr. William B. Ruger was doing his best to sell out the entire industry in order to keep his Mini-14 off a ban list. He significantly tarnished the brand of the company he founded. I am pleased that Mr. Fifer is not contemplating a similarly turncoat response to the political situation.”.....
Friday, March 1, 2013
Biden now urging us to shoot people through doors. #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment
Biden: ‘Just Fire the Shotgun Through the Door’ | Washington Free Beacon
http://freebeacon.com/biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/ ......”I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR -15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal. ”.... RRD: I already dismembered Biden's rubbish on shotguns versus semi-automatic rifles before (see below). Now Biden has demonstrated that in addition to being ignorant of guns he is also staggeringly ignorant of the laws pertaining to self-defense. Any defense attorney will tell you that you are only justified in using lethal force IF & ONLY IF you have a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm. Except in extraordinary circumstances ( i.e. someone is throwing explosives at your home) a person would be hard pressed to justify shooting at someone through a door. The first thing they teach you in a self-defense class is that you must be able to identify who you are shooting at & ALSO WHAT IS BEHIND the person you are shooting at. That means that you must be able to SEE who you,are shooting at. You also must explain WHY you used deadly force & must explain why you had to shoot someone through the door instead of just calling the police & hunkering down until they came (while being prepared to shoot if the person broke down the door).
This is insane.
We have people like Biden claiming that innocent people cannot be relied upon to exercise good judgment in defending themselves & we have Biden-- who is one heartbeat away from the presidency --telling us to engage in the type of reckless behavior that gun owners are perpetually ( & falsely) accused of engaging in. If gun control advocates were seriously concerned with the safety of innocent people they would be screaming their heads off at this imbecile.
Where is the public outrage from the ”violence prevention” crowd? The answer is simple ,many don't care,just as they excused his comment about Obama being ”bright,articulate & clean” because he is ”one of them”,so they excuse this.
If this ”advice” were given by Palin or Bush they would be torn to pieces by the news media.
Biden again demonstrates his staggering ignorance of guns #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment - fightingstatism
http://fightingstatism.posterous.com/biden-again-demonstrates-his-staggering-ignor Let me go through the absurdities in Biden's statement: 1. ”Assault Rifles” are harder to use than shotguns: A rifle such as the AR -15 (used by the Sandy Hook shooter & also by 2.5 million innocent people),is much easier to use,& to learn to use than either a pistol or shotgun is (fn1). Easier than a pistol because its sight radius is much ,much longer than a pistol (fn2) . Easier than a shotgun because the recoil of a 223rem/5.56 is much less than that of a shotgun,(particularly a 12 gauge shotgun),& the ammunition costs much,much less to buy. The result of both of these factors is greater proficiency with the weapon & greater accuracy under stress. In short, you are more likely to hit your attacker, rather than a innocent family member. 2. The 223 remington/ 5.56 rifle round vs 12 gauge 00-000 shotgun shell. The 223 remington round is likely to fragment on impact with drywall, even using the standard Hollow Point or Soft Point ammo . And that does not even take the existence of frangible ammunition such as Glaser or Mag-Safe Rounds into account. Those rounds are also available for the 7.62 x 39 & 308 & 30-06 cartridges. By contrast while shotguns can be loaded with ”less -lethal” ammo (e.g. rubber pellets or bean bags if the fools haven't banned those in your state) ,should you need to actually kill your attacker you will need to use either slugs,or buckshot. Either of those are much more likely to penetrate drywall & or to ricochet than those rounds are. Now it is true that it is ”easier to hit your target with a shotgun” when using buckshot than it is with a semi-automatic rifle;but it is easier because when you spray 8-9 .33 lead pellets at your target,(particularly with a wide pattern) it is bound to hit something,anything,in that direction. That includes: your assailant,your baby,your spouse ,your dog or cat,your neighbor etc. Choking down the Shotgun will tighten the pattern, but then you would lose that wonderful ”hit without aiming” capability that Biden is so enamored of. For all these reasons I am not terribly fond of shotguns when used as a home defense weapon. Nonetheless I would not presume to dictate my choice by law as I have no right to do so & also because I do not know a given individual's circumstance. But then I am not a ”expert” like Biden. Footnotes: fn1. Though the conventional AR with its gas tube is much harder to clean ,which is one reason that hybrid models using a upper with a gas piston are popular. Whether those piston based models are more or less reliable varies with the make or model. fn2. A longer site radius makes it much easier to learn to shoot accurately. As a old saying goes ”handguns are what you use because you have foolishly left your rifle behind”.
http://freebeacon.com/biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/ ......”I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR -15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal. ”.... RRD: I already dismembered Biden's rubbish on shotguns versus semi-automatic rifles before (see below). Now Biden has demonstrated that in addition to being ignorant of guns he is also staggeringly ignorant of the laws pertaining to self-defense. Any defense attorney will tell you that you are only justified in using lethal force IF & ONLY IF you have a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm. Except in extraordinary circumstances ( i.e. someone is throwing explosives at your home) a person would be hard pressed to justify shooting at someone through a door. The first thing they teach you in a self-defense class is that you must be able to identify who you are shooting at & ALSO WHAT IS BEHIND the person you are shooting at. That means that you must be able to SEE who you,are shooting at. You also must explain WHY you used deadly force & must explain why you had to shoot someone through the door instead of just calling the police & hunkering down until they came (while being prepared to shoot if the person broke down the door).
This is insane.
We have people like Biden claiming that innocent people cannot be relied upon to exercise good judgment in defending themselves & we have Biden-- who is one heartbeat away from the presidency --telling us to engage in the type of reckless behavior that gun owners are perpetually ( & falsely) accused of engaging in. If gun control advocates were seriously concerned with the safety of innocent people they would be screaming their heads off at this imbecile.
Where is the public outrage from the ”violence prevention” crowd? The answer is simple ,many don't care,just as they excused his comment about Obama being ”bright,articulate & clean” because he is ”one of them”,so they excuse this.
If this ”advice” were given by Palin or Bush they would be torn to pieces by the news media.
Biden again demonstrates his staggering ignorance of guns #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment - fightingstatism
http://fightingstatism.posterous.com/biden-again-demonstrates-his-staggering-ignor Let me go through the absurdities in Biden's statement: 1. ”Assault Rifles” are harder to use than shotguns: A rifle such as the AR -15 (used by the Sandy Hook shooter & also by 2.5 million innocent people),is much easier to use,& to learn to use than either a pistol or shotgun is (fn1). Easier than a pistol because its sight radius is much ,much longer than a pistol (fn2) . Easier than a shotgun because the recoil of a 223rem/5.56 is much less than that of a shotgun,(particularly a 12 gauge shotgun),& the ammunition costs much,much less to buy. The result of both of these factors is greater proficiency with the weapon & greater accuracy under stress. In short, you are more likely to hit your attacker, rather than a innocent family member. 2. The 223 remington/ 5.56 rifle round vs 12 gauge 00-000 shotgun shell. The 223 remington round is likely to fragment on impact with drywall, even using the standard Hollow Point or Soft Point ammo . And that does not even take the existence of frangible ammunition such as Glaser or Mag-Safe Rounds into account. Those rounds are also available for the 7.62 x 39 & 308 & 30-06 cartridges. By contrast while shotguns can be loaded with ”less -lethal” ammo (e.g. rubber pellets or bean bags if the fools haven't banned those in your state) ,should you need to actually kill your attacker you will need to use either slugs,or buckshot. Either of those are much more likely to penetrate drywall & or to ricochet than those rounds are. Now it is true that it is ”easier to hit your target with a shotgun” when using buckshot than it is with a semi-automatic rifle;but it is easier because when you spray 8-9 .33 lead pellets at your target,(particularly with a wide pattern) it is bound to hit something,anything,in that direction. That includes: your assailant,your baby,your spouse ,your dog or cat,your neighbor etc. Choking down the Shotgun will tighten the pattern, but then you would lose that wonderful ”hit without aiming” capability that Biden is so enamored of. For all these reasons I am not terribly fond of shotguns when used as a home defense weapon. Nonetheless I would not presume to dictate my choice by law as I have no right to do so & also because I do not know a given individual's circumstance. But then I am not a ”expert” like Biden. Footnotes: fn1. Though the conventional AR with its gas tube is much harder to clean ,which is one reason that hybrid models using a upper with a gas piston are popular. Whether those piston based models are more or less reliable varies with the make or model. fn2. A longer site radius makes it much easier to learn to shoot accurately. As a old saying goes ”handguns are what you use because you have foolishly left your rifle behind”.
Biden now urging us to shoot people through doors. #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment
Biden: ‘Just Fire the Shotgun Through the Door’ | Washington Free Beacon
http://freebeacon.com/biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/ ......”I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR -15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal. ”.... RRD: I already dismembered Biden's rubbish on shotguns versus semi-automatic rifles before (see below). Now Biden has demonstrated that in addition to being ignorant of guns he is also staggeringly ignorant of the laws pertaining to self-defense. Any defense attorney will tell you that you are only justified in using lethal force IF & ONLY IF you have a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm. Except in extraordinary circumstances ( i.e. someone is throwing explosives at your home) a person would be hard pressed to justify shooting at someone through a door. The first thing they teach you in a self-defense class is that you must be able to identify who you are shooting at & ALSO WHAT IS BEHIND the person you are shooting at. That means that you must be able to SEE who you,are shooting at. You also must explain WHY you used deadly force & must explain why you had to shoot someone through the door instead of just calling the police & hunkering down until they came (while being prepared to shoot if the person broke down the door).
This is insane.
We have people like Biden claiming that innocent people cannot be relied upon to exercise good judgment in defending themselves & we have Biden-- who is one heartbeat away from the presidency --telling us to engage in the type of reckless behavior that gun owners are perpetually ( & falsely) accused of engaging in. If gun control advocates were seriously concerned with the safety of innocent people they would be screaming their heads off at this imbecile.
Where is the public outrage from the ”violence prevention” crowd? The answer is simple ,many don't care,just as they excused his comment about Obama being ”bright,articulate & clean” because he is ”one of them”,so they excuse this.
If this ”advice” were given by Palin or Bush they would be torn to pieces by the news media.
Biden again demonstrates his staggering ignorance of guns #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment - fightingstatism
http://fightingstatism.posterous.com/biden-again-demonstrates-his-staggering-ignor Let me go through the absurdities in Biden's statement: 1. ”Assault Rifles” are harder to use than shotguns: A rifle such as the AR -15 (used by the Sandy Hook shooter & also by 2.5 million innocent people),is much easier to use,& to learn to use than either a pistol or shotgun is (fn1). Easier than a pistol because its sight radius is much ,much longer than a pistol (fn2) . Easier than a shotgun because the recoil of a 223rem/5.56 is much less than that of a shotgun,(particularly a 12 gauge shotgun),& the ammunition costs much,much less to buy. The result of both of these factors is greater proficiency with the weapon & greater accuracy under stress. In short, you are more likely to hit your attacker, rather than a innocent family member. 2. The 223 remington/ 5.56 rifle round vs 12 gauge 00-000 shotgun shell. The 223 remington round is likely to fragment on impact with drywall, even using the standard Hollow Point or Soft Point ammo . And that does not even take the existence of frangible ammunition such as Glaser or Mag-Safe Rounds into account. Those rounds are also available for the 7.62 x 39 & 308 & 30-06 cartridges. By contrast while shotguns can be loaded with ”less -lethal” ammo (e.g. rubber pellets or bean bags if the fools haven't banned those in your state) ,should you need to actually kill your attacker you will need to use either slugs,or buckshot. Either of those are much more likely to penetrate drywall & or to ricochet than those rounds are. Now it is true that it is ”easier to hit your target with a shotgun” when using buckshot than it is with a semi-automatic rifle;but it is easier because when you spray 8-9 .33 lead pellets at your target,(particularly with a wide pattern) it is bound to hit something,anything,in that direction. That includes: your assailant,your baby,your spouse ,your dog or cat,your neighbor etc. Choking down the Shotgun will tighten the pattern, but then you would lose that wonderful ”hit without aiming” capability that Biden is so enamored of. For all these reasons I am not terribly fond of shotguns when used as a home defense weapon. Nonetheless I would not presume to dictate my choice by law as I have no right to do so & also because I do not know a given individual's circumstance. But then I am not a ”expert” like Biden. Footnotes: fn1. Though the conventional AR with its gas tube is much harder to clean ,which is one reason that hybrid models using a upper with a gas piston are popular. Whether those piston based models are more or less reliable varies with the make or model. fn2. A longer site radius makes it much easier to learn to shoot accurately. As a old saying goes ”handguns are what you use because you have foolishly left your rifle behind”.
http://freebeacon.com/biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/ ......”I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR -15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal. ”.... RRD: I already dismembered Biden's rubbish on shotguns versus semi-automatic rifles before (see below). Now Biden has demonstrated that in addition to being ignorant of guns he is also staggeringly ignorant of the laws pertaining to self-defense. Any defense attorney will tell you that you are only justified in using lethal force IF & ONLY IF you have a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm. Except in extraordinary circumstances ( i.e. someone is throwing explosives at your home) a person would be hard pressed to justify shooting at someone through a door. The first thing they teach you in a self-defense class is that you must be able to identify who you are shooting at & ALSO WHAT IS BEHIND the person you are shooting at. That means that you must be able to SEE who you,are shooting at. You also must explain WHY you used deadly force & must explain why you had to shoot someone through the door instead of just calling the police & hunkering down until they came (while being prepared to shoot if the person broke down the door).
This is insane.
We have people like Biden claiming that innocent people cannot be relied upon to exercise good judgment in defending themselves & we have Biden-- who is one heartbeat away from the presidency --telling us to engage in the type of reckless behavior that gun owners are perpetually ( & falsely) accused of engaging in. If gun control advocates were seriously concerned with the safety of innocent people they would be screaming their heads off at this imbecile.
Where is the public outrage from the ”violence prevention” crowd? The answer is simple ,many don't care,just as they excused his comment about Obama being ”bright,articulate & clean” because he is ”one of them”,so they excuse this.
If this ”advice” were given by Palin or Bush they would be torn to pieces by the news media.
Biden again demonstrates his staggering ignorance of guns #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment - fightingstatism
http://fightingstatism.posterous.com/biden-again-demonstrates-his-staggering-ignor Let me go through the absurdities in Biden's statement: 1. ”Assault Rifles” are harder to use than shotguns: A rifle such as the AR -15 (used by the Sandy Hook shooter & also by 2.5 million innocent people),is much easier to use,& to learn to use than either a pistol or shotgun is (fn1). Easier than a pistol because its sight radius is much ,much longer than a pistol (fn2) . Easier than a shotgun because the recoil of a 223rem/5.56 is much less than that of a shotgun,(particularly a 12 gauge shotgun),& the ammunition costs much,much less to buy. The result of both of these factors is greater proficiency with the weapon & greater accuracy under stress. In short, you are more likely to hit your attacker, rather than a innocent family member. 2. The 223 remington/ 5.56 rifle round vs 12 gauge 00-000 shotgun shell. The 223 remington round is likely to fragment on impact with drywall, even using the standard Hollow Point or Soft Point ammo . And that does not even take the existence of frangible ammunition such as Glaser or Mag-Safe Rounds into account. Those rounds are also available for the 7.62 x 39 & 308 & 30-06 cartridges. By contrast while shotguns can be loaded with ”less -lethal” ammo (e.g. rubber pellets or bean bags if the fools haven't banned those in your state) ,should you need to actually kill your attacker you will need to use either slugs,or buckshot. Either of those are much more likely to penetrate drywall & or to ricochet than those rounds are. Now it is true that it is ”easier to hit your target with a shotgun” when using buckshot than it is with a semi-automatic rifle;but it is easier because when you spray 8-9 .33 lead pellets at your target,(particularly with a wide pattern) it is bound to hit something,anything,in that direction. That includes: your assailant,your baby,your spouse ,your dog or cat,your neighbor etc. Choking down the Shotgun will tighten the pattern, but then you would lose that wonderful ”hit without aiming” capability that Biden is so enamored of. For all these reasons I am not terribly fond of shotguns when used as a home defense weapon. Nonetheless I would not presume to dictate my choice by law as I have no right to do so & also because I do not know a given individual's circumstance. But then I am not a ”expert” like Biden. Footnotes: fn1. Though the conventional AR with its gas tube is much harder to clean ,which is one reason that hybrid models using a upper with a gas piston are popular. Whether those piston based models are more or less reliable varies with the make or model. fn2. A longer site radius makes it much easier to learn to shoot accurately. As a old saying goes ”handguns are what you use because you have foolishly left your rifle behind”.
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