Biden: ‘Just Fire the Shotgun Through the Door’ | Washington Free Beacon
http://freebeacon.com/biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/ ......”I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR -15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal. ”.... RRD: I already dismembered Biden's rubbish on shotguns versus semi-automatic rifles before (see below). Now Biden has demonstrated that in addition to being ignorant of guns he is also staggeringly ignorant of the laws pertaining to self-defense. Any defense attorney will tell you that you are only justified in using lethal force IF & ONLY IF you have a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm. Except in extraordinary circumstances ( i.e. someone is throwing explosives at your home) a person would be hard pressed to justify shooting at someone through a door. The first thing they teach you in a self-defense class is that you must be able to identify who you are shooting at & ALSO WHAT IS BEHIND the person you are shooting at. That means that you must be able to SEE who you,are shooting at. You also must explain WHY you used deadly force & must explain why you had to shoot someone through the door instead of just calling the police & hunkering down until they came (while being prepared to shoot if the person broke down the door).
This is insane.
We have people like Biden claiming that innocent people cannot be relied upon to exercise good judgment in defending themselves & we have Biden-- who is one heartbeat away from the presidency --telling us to engage in the type of reckless behavior that gun owners are perpetually ( & falsely) accused of engaging in. If gun control advocates were seriously concerned with the safety of innocent people they would be screaming their heads off at this imbecile.
Where is the public outrage from the ”violence prevention” crowd? The answer is simple ,many don't care,just as they excused his comment about Obama being ”bright,articulate & clean” because he is ”one of them”,so they excuse this.
If this ”advice” were given by Palin or Bush they would be torn to pieces by the news media.
Biden again demonstrates his staggering ignorance of guns #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment - fightingstatism
http://fightingstatism.posterous.com/biden-again-demonstrates-his-staggering-ignor Let me go through the absurdities in Biden's statement: 1. ”Assault Rifles” are harder to use than shotguns: A rifle such as the AR -15 (used by the Sandy Hook shooter & also by 2.5 million innocent people),is much easier to use,& to learn to use than either a pistol or shotgun is (fn1). Easier than a pistol because its sight radius is much ,much longer than a pistol (fn2) . Easier than a shotgun because the recoil of a 223rem/5.56 is much less than that of a shotgun,(particularly a 12 gauge shotgun),& the ammunition costs much,much less to buy. The result of both of these factors is greater proficiency with the weapon & greater accuracy under stress. In short, you are more likely to hit your attacker, rather than a innocent family member. 2. The 223 remington/ 5.56 rifle round vs 12 gauge 00-000 shotgun shell. The 223 remington round is likely to fragment on impact with drywall, even using the standard Hollow Point or Soft Point ammo . And that does not even take the existence of frangible ammunition such as Glaser or Mag-Safe Rounds into account. Those rounds are also available for the 7.62 x 39 & 308 & 30-06 cartridges. By contrast while shotguns can be loaded with ”less -lethal” ammo (e.g. rubber pellets or bean bags if the fools haven't banned those in your state) ,should you need to actually kill your attacker you will need to use either slugs,or buckshot. Either of those are much more likely to penetrate drywall & or to ricochet than those rounds are. Now it is true that it is ”easier to hit your target with a shotgun” when using buckshot than it is with a semi-automatic rifle;but it is easier because when you spray 8-9 .33 lead pellets at your target,(particularly with a wide pattern) it is bound to hit something,anything,in that direction. That includes: your assailant,your baby,your spouse ,your dog or cat,your neighbor etc. Choking down the Shotgun will tighten the pattern, but then you would lose that wonderful ”hit without aiming” capability that Biden is so enamored of. For all these reasons I am not terribly fond of shotguns when used as a home defense weapon. Nonetheless I would not presume to dictate my choice by law as I have no right to do so & also because I do not know a given individual's circumstance. But then I am not a ”expert” like Biden. Footnotes: fn1. Though the conventional AR with its gas tube is much harder to clean ,which is one reason that hybrid models using a upper with a gas piston are popular. Whether those piston based models are more or less reliable varies with the make or model. fn2. A longer site radius makes it much easier to learn to shoot accurately. As a old saying goes ”handguns are what you use because you have foolishly left your rifle behind”.
http://freebeacon.com/biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/ ......”I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR -15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal. ”.... RRD: I already dismembered Biden's rubbish on shotguns versus semi-automatic rifles before (see below). Now Biden has demonstrated that in addition to being ignorant of guns he is also staggeringly ignorant of the laws pertaining to self-defense. Any defense attorney will tell you that you are only justified in using lethal force IF & ONLY IF you have a reasonable fear of grievous bodily harm. Except in extraordinary circumstances ( i.e. someone is throwing explosives at your home) a person would be hard pressed to justify shooting at someone through a door. The first thing they teach you in a self-defense class is that you must be able to identify who you are shooting at & ALSO WHAT IS BEHIND the person you are shooting at. That means that you must be able to SEE who you,are shooting at. You also must explain WHY you used deadly force & must explain why you had to shoot someone through the door instead of just calling the police & hunkering down until they came (while being prepared to shoot if the person broke down the door).
This is insane.
We have people like Biden claiming that innocent people cannot be relied upon to exercise good judgment in defending themselves & we have Biden-- who is one heartbeat away from the presidency --telling us to engage in the type of reckless behavior that gun owners are perpetually ( & falsely) accused of engaging in. If gun control advocates were seriously concerned with the safety of innocent people they would be screaming their heads off at this imbecile.
Where is the public outrage from the ”violence prevention” crowd? The answer is simple ,many don't care,just as they excused his comment about Obama being ”bright,articulate & clean” because he is ”one of them”,so they excuse this.
If this ”advice” were given by Palin or Bush they would be torn to pieces by the news media.
Biden again demonstrates his staggering ignorance of guns #tcot #tlot #2ndamendment - fightingstatism
http://fightingstatism.posterous.com/biden-again-demonstrates-his-staggering-ignor Let me go through the absurdities in Biden's statement: 1. ”Assault Rifles” are harder to use than shotguns: A rifle such as the AR -15 (used by the Sandy Hook shooter & also by 2.5 million innocent people),is much easier to use,& to learn to use than either a pistol or shotgun is (fn1). Easier than a pistol because its sight radius is much ,much longer than a pistol (fn2) . Easier than a shotgun because the recoil of a 223rem/5.56 is much less than that of a shotgun,(particularly a 12 gauge shotgun),& the ammunition costs much,much less to buy. The result of both of these factors is greater proficiency with the weapon & greater accuracy under stress. In short, you are more likely to hit your attacker, rather than a innocent family member. 2. The 223 remington/ 5.56 rifle round vs 12 gauge 00-000 shotgun shell. The 223 remington round is likely to fragment on impact with drywall, even using the standard Hollow Point or Soft Point ammo . And that does not even take the existence of frangible ammunition such as Glaser or Mag-Safe Rounds into account. Those rounds are also available for the 7.62 x 39 & 308 & 30-06 cartridges. By contrast while shotguns can be loaded with ”less -lethal” ammo (e.g. rubber pellets or bean bags if the fools haven't banned those in your state) ,should you need to actually kill your attacker you will need to use either slugs,or buckshot. Either of those are much more likely to penetrate drywall & or to ricochet than those rounds are. Now it is true that it is ”easier to hit your target with a shotgun” when using buckshot than it is with a semi-automatic rifle;but it is easier because when you spray 8-9 .33 lead pellets at your target,(particularly with a wide pattern) it is bound to hit something,anything,in that direction. That includes: your assailant,your baby,your spouse ,your dog or cat,your neighbor etc. Choking down the Shotgun will tighten the pattern, but then you would lose that wonderful ”hit without aiming” capability that Biden is so enamored of. For all these reasons I am not terribly fond of shotguns when used as a home defense weapon. Nonetheless I would not presume to dictate my choice by law as I have no right to do so & also because I do not know a given individual's circumstance. But then I am not a ”expert” like Biden. Footnotes: fn1. Though the conventional AR with its gas tube is much harder to clean ,which is one reason that hybrid models using a upper with a gas piston are popular. Whether those piston based models are more or less reliable varies with the make or model. fn2. A longer site radius makes it much easier to learn to shoot accurately. As a old saying goes ”handguns are what you use because you have foolishly left your rifle behind”.
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